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Ray Comfort, a Christian evangelist of The Way of the Master, chatted about his book, Hitler, God and the Bible, and the film, 180, when he was invited on Carole Lieberman's radio program, "Dr. Carole's Couch." When he discussed with Lieberman the motives behind the Holocaust, the issue of abortion, and Charles Darwin, Comfort left the psychologist struggling for the right words:
Comfort: Do you think it's a baby in the womb?
Lieberman: At a certain time it is. It isn't at the beginning.
Comfort: Well, at what point does it become a baby?
Lieberman: Well, you know, I can't remember right now -- like five weeks or something. There's some point at which it has a heartbeat, and at that point is when -- and I think that that's around five weeks.
Comfort: Yeah, you're right. It's about five or six weeks… So, finish the sentence for me Carole: 'It's okay to kill a baby in the womb when ...'
Lieberman: Before, well, I mean, you know, again, I can't say; I'm not going to say that it's just okay before five weeks, if that's what you're getting at.
Comfort: No, no -- they kill babies right up to about 19, 20 weeks. So, there's really no justification for killing a baby. Just have it adopted.